It's complicated, but at heart there are a few simple logical points that form a point of departure for me.

1. Maori are, and have been for generations, worse off for money, health, education, and standard of living than white people.
2. There is either something inherently wrong with Maori, or there is something inherently wrong with the system.

Personally, I think there's something wrong with the system, because the other option is, um, racist.

Also, if, as I do, you believe that one of the roles of a good government is to create an environment which results in more equality, then it follows that targeting initiatives at Maori is a pretty sound idea.

One of the arguments often put up against that is that government help should be targeted at the poor no matter who they are. In answer, I refer you back to the statistics, which show that Maori are behind the rest of the country in most every way that counts. They have been for generations. Spending money to find specific ways of targeting that specific problem isn't about favouritism, or political correctness - it's about efficiency.

Finally, I want to make the BLATENTLY OBVIOUS point that you seem to have missed. If Maori had it so much better than the rest of us, why are there so many: dying young from preventable diseases, unemployed, in prison, uneducated, on the bread line, the victims of crime?

Take a look around, Andrea.

bumble

bumble,

You do make some good points. I don't completely disagree with you.

But, I do disagree on the way to fix the problem. If you target solutions at specific socioeconomic groups, rather than at specific race, is that not better? That way, you will be helping those who need it, without making other races feel inferier or feel like the government doesn't care out them?

Perhaps you need to change the way the help is structured and targeted at that group. But with New Zealand turning into the big melting pot it is, how many different schemes can we really come up with?

Also, perhaps Maori judge 'richness' by different measures than European people do? But again, how can you come up with different measures for different people?

What gets me, and this is one of the few personal expreiences I have had on the matter, is quite wealthy Maori friends of mine getting full scholarships and other payments for their studies at university, where I was not eligible in any way for similar scheemes. Surely that is not right?!

Bumble, perception is everything I guess, I don't think we differ in opinion by as much as it may seem.

Andreas (AndreasRoom.com)

I am glad you are thinking about the issues Andrea and are discussing them. I am not sure whether you are aware that most Maori scholarships are funded from money that is rightfully Maori (through land leases etc). This money is held at the choice of Maori, to contribute to education of Maori. I too like you attended University with very little funding, mainly because I did not have a family that has sufficient finances to support me. For many Maori, scholarships and grants are one way of getting funding from Maori sources just as people get funding from their families. Although you identify you have wealthy Maori friends, any look at NZ statistics will show you that on a population basis, Maori are grossly over-represented in low socio-economic sectors of society. There are some wealthy Maori who have access to scholarships that are funded from Maori sources such as MEF however it is most likely that on balance it these scholarships will end up in the hands of those with high levels of need.

Sam

New Zealand is for all who live in her - no race should be treated more than the other, we are all one tribe - Ngati Kiwi

Jared

The point is not whether we are all one people- because we clearly are not.
The point is that Maori are tangata whenua- they were the first ones here, we came to their land and took over. I'm sure any person who takes the time to read about the foreshore or seabed debate or any debate relating to the Treaty would see that they are the ones hard done by, not us.
Never before have Maori charged us to use their beaches, so why would they start now?

Theresa

Im all for the support of my man don, im half moari, and im sick of seeing other moari thinking they have more rights over every one else because there moari, in the end, how many moari's are there these days. i dont think there is on full blooded moari left in NZ, im not even half, proberly 1/10.
i feel that if moari do have somthing to say, say it properly like every one else. why should they get away with the way the protest over everyone else. in the end, moari are rascist, they are the ones who seperate them selfs from others who live in NZ. and those who stand up and tell them to do it properly like me, are called rascist. my own family have disownd me for my opinions about the whole thing. it shows you who the real rascist are in NZ. I was born in NZ, by New Zealanders, i am a Kiwi, Mother Pakeha, Farther Moari. What else would i be but a true Kiwi. in the end i have more rights then any other side for i am both.

Lee

It's not the matter of who is worse off economically. It's about all of us coming together to perserve our land and heritage. Some Pakeha are twice as bad off as some Maori, and vice versa. Being politically correct has been an incredible burden to us Kiwi folk. We ought to be proud of being one people, proud of our heritage, whether or not it is in our blood.

Starr

Dr Brash needs an education in the politics of ethnicity and identity. Firstly, ethnicity is not based on blood quantum (a eurocentric concept); it is based upon real or putative descent to a common ancestor. Secondly, Maori have not been given 'special rights'on the basis of ethnicity; customary rights pre-existed the Treaty of Waitangi and the settler government. Theses rights were guaranteed by the crown under Article two of the treaty and in common law.

Jo

The vast majority of funding for Maori scholarship comes from Maori organisations. Little attention has been paid to other scholarship aimed at other groups on the basis of gender, disability or their future profession i.e. scholarships for law students or nursing students. Perhaps we should look at the bigger picture before commenting on what Maori get.

Jo

Dr Brash needs an education in the politics of ethnicity and identity. Firstly, ethnicity is not based on blood quantum (a eurocentric concept); it is based upon real or putative descent to a common ancestor. Secondly, Maori have not been given 'special rights'on the basis of ethnicity; customary rights pre-existed the Treaty of Waitangi and the settler government. These rights were guaranteed by the crown under Article two of the treaty and in common law.

Jo

In regards to lee's comments about that "moaris" are racist well I beg to differ that a minority people would be as racist as Anglo New Zealanders when the British went out to colonise the 3/4 of the earth they carried an ego that they are superior to ever other race on earth. From the comments here nothing has changed you people go around taking over the planet impoverishing and destroying countless races push them aside into state housing leaving them to struggle in poverty and have the audacity to turn around and say they are over priveliged. Take a drive through Newmarket and you will see who is overpriveliged then take a drive through Otara and you will see how colonisation broke the back of a people. To give Maori some sort of concessions in Education or any field is just a start to clearing your convictions come judgement day. So if you truley believe we are "One People" how come the white ones live in wealth and the brown ones live in poverty -thats right the white ones are superior.

Joe

So heres the big question.Lets say your half Maori whats the rest of your blood??No doubt its European.Yer thats right you've got European blood in so as far as the blood thing goes shame on your heritage because your family coontributed to the down fall of your race.Will i get a slap for saying down fall because more or less thats what your saying.Economically blah blah blah.Move on its old news with the mixtures of blood these days we already are one.

jemma

Jemma if notice the Maori Population at the start of the 20th Century Equaled 5000 people the same amount that died in a single day in New York on September 11th 2001. The only way for Maori off spring to survive Anglo New Zealanders disease was to interbreed with them. So Anglo New Zealanders can take credit for Genocide they wiped off the face of the Earth the last pure Aryan the Maori Genetic. The debate we are one people is far from the truth the Maori Culture has more in common with the Japanese Culture as they are both an eastern culture. What would a Maori Warrior and a Scottish highlander have in common? So Maori have contaminated genetics that means we are One. This Anti Maori Rhetoric smells alot like Germany in 1939 where a politician lead the public to believe that a minority people was the cause of all their problems. Please Jemma Don Brash is a Politician and he knows your fears and he is willing to play on them. Your fear is that Maori are overpriveliged I assure you its not true they live in poverty & feel inferior to Anglo New Zealanders and don't have the same confidence in the workforce even if they can get employed.

Joe

Have you lived in Australia? Its made up of every other nation under the sun, Its polluted ugly and every inch of real estate in suburbia is being snatched up for greed of the the mighty dollar. Do you know how they treat the aborigines? They hate them and call them black fellas and niggers, why? because they got here first? I dont know. All I know is there land is being taken raped and wasted by greed of man. And for that they are spat upon.
As an australian citizen and tax payer id welcome a levy to help them better themselves.
After all its their land and we are merely visiters to it.
Id hate to see Nz and up this way, its beautiful and so are the people. If people like Don Brash have thier way, Nz will sadly end up like australia, ugly full of hate. And foreigners changing laws to suit there own agenda.

vamp

theres alot of maori people at my high school. they are poor, stupid and they pick fights.

i go to town or to new lynn to go shopping or meet my friends and I see these maori and pacific islanders sitting down all day and loitering asking for money and cigarettes and picking fights.

my best friend daniel was threatened for his shoes about a month ago.

there is no future for maori and pacific islanders because the young generation of maori are just like i described before.

I am becoming a racist person due to the maori teenagers bad behaviour.

i will just point out that i have three friends who are maori and they are nice people. but on the other hand they are part maori and growing up in a pleasant neighbourhood.

but i still hate these maori n!ggers.

richard

bro fock you all.

im at an internet cafe and i stole some kids money bro.

im cool aye and im maori.

fock you rihard dumb fok. ill knock yo out bro.

maori man

see what i mean?

richard

I HATE FAT MAORI NIGGERS THAT STEAL!

they all steal your shoes and try o fight you. they're all poor and stupid. Don Brash is doing a good job by putting the nigger in his place.

greg

The maori are a pathetic race and are determined to run N.Z. into more of a third world country than it already is. I am a Caucasian Not european and not pakeha and have no desire to be lumped in with the darkies of this land.

susan

I dislike Maoris, all they do is steal and pick fights, and its just getting worse. All they do is come into my work, try leech free food, throw sauce make messes and steal things off the wall.

Stealing, fighting and being rude IS the Maori culture these days.

All I see in schools is big groups of Maoris picking fights with white and other ethnic people. They fail school and theres no point in them being there, and the only reason is so they can play rugby.

And yet they get handouts from the government including scholar ships because they are idiots who cant get there on merits, special maori land rights and all this other crap.

I tell ya what, without all the PI's and Maoris, this would be a better place.

Concerned NZer.

Hi there, I try my best not to be racist at my school. even going to the tuckshop to get my lunch, i am hounded by Maori and pacific islanders asking for my food and money and threatening to beat me up/kill me, if i dont give them my spare change.

i beleive this horrendous situation is the result of a few events, i will try to explain my view.

1. the idiot that translated the treaty of waitangi thought he would be clever, and make it seem like a good thing for the maori to sign.

2. Greed, the sheer greed of mankind brought this situation on himself.

3. The Waitangi Tribunal, I belelive this organisation is sick, they should close it down, the government has payed out $600million taxpayers to the maori based on historic claims alone.
The Maori were a nomadic people, the would travel around the country, consuming all the moa.
Also, maori theory was not land ownership by money or goods, it was by power. if one tribe wanted another tribes land they wouldn't sit down to a meal and negotiate, they would take out their weapons and kill each other (and then most likely eat each other, because its a fact that the maori were cannabalistic.)


Modern maori attitude disgusts me, the waitangi tribunal has taught maori today that they don't need jobs, all they need to do is have their hand out and make a noise.

Thanks for reading

Anonymous

why are maori not respected, because i am a maori and i ani't going to chage being a Maori any time soon.

lee

Maori are good people aspecially me

maybe if the trety was not neglected by the government and abused by the truth we would not have these problems

if you read the trety clearly Maori's have partnership with the Queen of England and the government, therefore Maori people were establised to run there own needs and there own gornmentship

so while your sitting on your ass saying that the trety is sick take a look at the sick partnership that the governmnet has stured upon Maori people

and no the trety does not give as a reson to sit on our asses because the bullies that have hurt you are in school doing something for their lives

oo next time read the trety properly since it was your ancetors who translated it

john

All,
We can go back and forth with the finger-pointing and name-calling. In the grand scheme of things, the bottom line is that socio-economic disparities between the races must be rectified. In the word's of malcom x" by any means necessary".

Lucky212

Having travelled overseas and come back to new zealand I feel sad, sad that this country is being held to ransom by a bunch of blacks, this country would be a paradise without maoris and polynesians, look at all the crime committed in auckland, most of it by these dark folk, how is raping a woman going to get you money? its not these people don't do crime for the money they do it because they are a bunch of caveman thugs, fukin kill em all i say. I'm going back overseas, NZ as a home doesn't fukin have much appeal anymore. the niggers have ruined it for everyone, and until the government and white people in general realise this nothings going to change. They're just like cavemen, look back 200 years ago, they were still living in huts man, they hadn't even discovered metal for fuks sake. And now they drive around in skylines and evo's which they can only afford by robbing you and I.
Fuk off back to the islands. we don't want you,.

freestyler

Freestyler is absolutely right. They beat up everyone they see, they steal everything that isn't bolted down, they intimidate and threaten anybody who looks at them. They are mostly lazy, and simply demand freebies from the Govt., most of which then gets frittered away on failed business ventures and booze. Most of the land they're given is used for the cultivation of gorse and weed. I had nothing to do with the Treaty yet my tax payer dollars were being wasted on a bunch of social misfits and thugs. I say 'were' coz we left NZ five years ago and will not be returning. It is an embarassing shambles of a country, and the place now makes us cringe.

Ex-Proud Kiwi

The problem is that they do treat Maori doifferent they are saying you are too dumb to go through school the normal way so they have to help them.

Every race is poor the only difference is whether you think hey i'm gonna help myself or its all your fault gimme gimme gimme. I meet a Maori lady that started out poor got no help from the gov. and worked up her own beaty salon. She is 29 years old and gets over$1000.00 a week. All her own doing.

I have a family of Maori's living next door the whole neigbourhood hates them (which is every race possible including other maori's) because they don't work they spend all day screaming (not yelling) at their kids and kicking their small puppy, they play way too loud music all day not caring about anyone else and they grow weed.

With my taxes I pay for them to be on the dole. Everyone gets the same life school is free til up to high school than you can get a student loan. ask any 20something yr old and they will have a huge S.L why because they want to succeed.
what is wrong withg the average Maori? do they have no pride and self respect anymore. If their ancestors saw them now, they would be discussed by how they behave.

And also Maori's were not first here they were just like the whites the came over by sea. The only differece is they ate the Mori Ori's. This is not their land its the Mori Ori's, they stole it off them and than complain when it happens to them???? thats karma at least they got gifts the whites treated them better than they treated the Mori Ori's. So f*** off we are intitled to NZ as much as anyone else.

The Maori's don't follow the Treaty it is meant to unit NZers as one, BULLSHIT they demand to be treated better.

pippy

First off, I would like to thank Freestyler and Ex-Proud Kiwi
... Thanks for no longer being in the country, I am sure the rest of the nation apreciate that.

Second. I am thinking the last 10 posts regarding racial purity and pro-genocide towards Maori, are all Don Brash supporters?

and back to the original issue here, rather then maori bashing with obvious stereotypes (i thought most of these posts were a joke).
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Don Brash wants one nation/one people. So i am guessing the "one people" would be 'Kiwis' and the kiwis would be 'european' instead of 'maori', deleting Maori culture and lineage out of existance. This is the fear the maori people have. After all, everysingle European that would be a kiwi would have a heritage to look back upon

ie. Ansestors 5 or so generations ago (from ... lets say ... England) moved to New Zealand to start a new life etc

But where would Maori people themselves look back to? 'Oh about 3000 or so years ago the ancestors came from some place, come where' ???

The fact of the matter is, our nation is to young to become one people... give it a hundred years or so when non-maori
have firmly embedded their heritage into the face of New Zealand.
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If you are a kiwi, be a kiwi and be proud of it. But dont be jealous of Maori because they have a couple of extra rights because they have been here thousands of more years then other cultures.

PS - Guess what race i am :P

LewsTherin

I overexagerrated a fare bit abouit 3000 years

LewsTherin

wateva you dirty maori lover

youwish

We have alot of ppl here with one track minds,Maoris were here first an in business long b4 other cultures establish them self in new zealand, our ancestors traded near and far Maoris first trade in export an import was with P&O Shipping, an this is part of the reason why most of P&O vessel have Maori names, now how many of you real kiwi's new that,farming was also an area that Maori had knowledge in, but ops along come the one ppl factor they decided to form a government, introduce new laws to suite them self,an there was no consultation with Maori, land rates forced on maori without them knowing and land taken for unpaid rates, now the ppl of today live off the riches of our lost, the only thing about this is, it has also happen in other countries that were invaded the question is can maori and pakeha work together to correct the past ? ( for all you Don Bash followers how much do you think your passed and present government has made in land rate since 1840 ? cost Maori ate been given a penny)so much for one ppl ?

b_boy

My confidence in a more tolerant society has plummeted in reading some of these clearly racist posts. A thought for all of you making supremely generalised statements about

appale

My confidence in a more tolerant world has plummeted in reading some of the quite clearly racist comments expressed in the posts above. I offer a counter to some of those supremely generalised comments: theft, laziness, violence can be found in all cultures the world over and are not confined to specific racial groups. Indeed, Europeans are not a naturalised, superior race. As the comments above quite clearly prove.

appalled

Isn't it interesting when facts are placed in front of ppl some believe they are racist comments but in reality the truth hurts

b_boy

Isn't free speech wonderful! A good mixture of responses from the left wing, politically correct, indoctrinated youth that don't have a thought of their own through to the outright racists that are the result of all this social engineering.

I don't have the answers to all the maori problems and perhaps it's too late anyway, but I am willing to share my thoughts on the subject.

It shouldn't be considered maori bashing or racist to point out the facts that maori are predominantly uneducated, suffer from poor health, significantly contribute to crime and are a huge fiscal burden on NZ. It is after all, their doing. I know, I know, white man gave them KFC etc, etc... that is just so lame.

So what do we do about them? This is a difficult question when they themselves don't know. What do they want? I don't know but it is clearly obvious that money and special treatment isn't the answer. Things have got much worse since Labour have had two terms of vote catching. I really think that the answer will have to be quite radical which won't go down well, after all it will require hard work on their behalf but after all, aren't they warriors?

It's like the famine in Africa. All those agencies crippled by their own bureaucracy pleading for money to feed all the starving children. Yes it is very sad (our family have sponsored a child) but has anyone asked the hard question why these africans choose to have 8 children when they can't even feed themselves? Isn't reform and education the only logical, long term answer? Meantime, their presidents are driving around in Mercedes wearing $5000 suits. Oh the tribal system - sound familiar?

I'm sorry, but the only people that are responsible for maori are maoris. If they want to move forward and be part of OUR country (what are we all on temporary visas?) then they must change their ways. Simple. If you really care about their people and preservation of their culture then just leave them alone to sort it out for themselves. No hand outs, no special treatment. It only makes matters worse and breeds resentment. As for all their grievances, come on! What exactly? So we took some land - big deal. Colonisation happened the world over. Get over it. If it weren't for the english it would have been someone else.

I could go on for ever, but we've heard it all before. I for one am disgusted in what this country has become and it will get much worse. And I'm not just referring to the maori problem. I can honestly say that I wouldn't want to raise my children in this country. Can you imagine what the place will be like in 10 - 20 years from now? Crystal ball gaze and take a look at South Africa. Yes, I am sadly leaving NZ for a brighter future... and go some of you might say. Fine, just like all those other kiwi's that our horrid, self righteous, criminal, man hating academic prime minister wants back to pay for all this!

As for Don Brash, yes he is a politician (how profound of you) but he certainly cares more about NZ than that beast of a woman, Helen Clark.

My parting words to the Kiwi’s that are left here;

1) While Socialism is good in theory, it has never worked in practice. NZ is a good example.
2) Try having some faith in mankind.
3) Working hard and making money is not a criminal offence.
4) We’re not on the farm anymore.
5) Kofi Annan is a cheeky darky (corrupt)
6) Be kind to your mother.

Leaving

hear hear Leaving what you say is true, why is it that only white people can be racist, but the darker race can say whatever they want and we have to be culture sensitive??? what about our culture???
I was told that once that "only black people can go into that room" at work as they all lunch there, can you imagine if I said that!! yet we have to accept whatever they say.
The English saved the Maori's from the French, that is why they signed the treaty because they needed the English protection as the French were attacking them. And I learnt this from school, not pulling it out of my ass like Mr "3000", whatever.

And also LewsTherin try 400 years why don't you go to the museum and do some research before you start shooting off your mouth, or are you so ignorant that you don't need fact to back up your words.

pippy

sterotypes are sterotypes for a reason, they become that way because the majority of the race is that way
eg asians are smart
(they are smart because they study hard)

freestyler

leaving that sound like a long winded story makes me wonder if your and ex South Africa white who's come to our shores to stir the pot ? its good you are exiting our great country don't let the door hit you on the way out lol,As for pippy ( The English saved the Maori's from the French,)what history book did you dig that out of it show how much you kown about New Zealand, on a scale of 1-10 I give you O lol,hey freestyler here's a good one whites are right because there white lol what eva,use remind me of the three monkeys hear no evil see no evil speak no evil,but like to talk a load of rubbsih,

b_boy

No b-boy, I'm not an ex South African. As for stirring the pot, I think the government and some of your own bet me to that.

You seem like a relatively smart person (okay you can't spell and your grammar is poor, which incidentally, supports one of the facts about maori) so I want to ask you a couple of questions which I hope you will think about seriously before answering.

1) Since being colonised, are you proud of what maori have achieved as a race?

2) What are these achievements exactly?

3) What are maori people doing to reduce the high rate of crime, teenage pregnancy, poor health, dependency on welfare and education?

4) Why do you think maori people aren't responsible or accountable for their own actions?

As for leaving, you like most NZers (whites included) just don't get it. Have you read the papers today about the brain drain? I employ 40 people and generate 100's of thousands of dollars annually for the government, which a significant amount of that is wasted on your people.

At this rate, you might just get what you want (whatever that is). NZ will become another pacific island isolated from the rest of the world. You'll be free to roam, rape and pillage again. Then when it's completely destroyed, perhaps Australia will pick up the pieces and turn this into a great country like it once was.

Finally, where did you get your PC from? LOL!!!

Leaving

Im Am appauled by the obscenity used on this sight. More Maori bashing again. I believe these people are lacking self esteem and knowledge of our history, it is because of this very mentality that Aotearoa has become "New Zealand". Nigger they call us, thieves and cannibals again I believe that it is only a reflection of themselves. I have not come across any talk of Honky or white trash at all. I am Pakeha and Maori but if that is the way Pakeha respond to Maori I am ashamed to have Pakeha blood in my viens. How can we ever get on in this country if people are allowed to write rubbish un-intelegently. The history of the Treaty of Waitangi clearly states just who are the oppressor and the thieves of land to the value of up to 100 million hectares of land and now the Govt wants the seashores and everything in it because they have consumed all the land in this country. Now bullying for lunch money or picking a fight is not right: but it does not give anyone a right to defame another race or person. It sickens the pit of my stomach to know that there are people in this country who hide behind their e-mail system and make racist comments but when confronted face to face crumbble and have absolutely nothing to say until they get in front of their PC and type away all the messed up thing they can come up with. It's no wonder you get picked on Richard and Susan. Keep that attitute KARMA will come and bite you up the BUM.

Aroha

People who say Maori are thieves, canibals etc... are so ignorrant and afraid of the treaty because they can't handle the truth starring them in the face when they perhaps have read the Treay of Waitangi themselves. The truth does hurt which creates fear in people which prompts racist comments. It is sooo sad that we have to be subjected to this kind of crap. I think these people should go back to school and gain some knowledge about history that they have perhaps forgotten about (English History)it aint half sqeaky clean; my racist friends. Did your ancestor King Henry not chop off his wives heads because they could not bare him a son? did your ancestor not have intentions of stealling land and a peoples language right around the globe? Were your ancestors not canibals too? Please feel free to debate my comments. However!!my opinion on Don's One people speech is another ploy to gain supremacy over Maori once again, well he can shove that where the sun dont shine along with anything else he may have in store for "Maori" This man is just another racist statistic who himself cannot bare to have the truth dangling in front of his face, he knows Maori have been at the raw end of the spectrum from day one after the signing of the treaty; a document created by his ancestors to minipulate and Im sure it was a premeditated peace of paper as well to take full control of Maori and to take this "beautiful, unharmed by pollutants, Full of minerals and goodness in the soil and air of this land AOTEAROA".
So dont you think that we will be forever divided in opinion on whose right and whose wrong? are there any solutions to this problem? Maybe not but I know whose side I want to be on when it comes to judgement day most certainly not yours my racist friends richard,susan and greg.

Aroha

I agree with Freestyler there; stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. And don't pretend the Maori were all holding hands and dancing in the daisies before the English arrived - they warred amongst themselves and, yes, did practice cannibalism amongst other things. And don't try to tell me that "your people were warlike too" because I'm not the one denying the past. In the end, the colonisation of New Zealand was inevitable. It if wasn't the English it'd be the French, and with that thought I can't help but dream that you were all arguing in French and I was far away without the slightest notion that such debates even existed. And I'm sure some of you would love me to be far away, but that's beside the point.

Why is it that Maori people can never lower themselves to being part of "One People"? Europeans will never let go of their culture. We'll never be assimilated, and we know it. It is not us who are scared, it is obviously the Maori people, otherwise they wouldn't cling so desperately to their culture. If their culture was so important to them, it would always be a part of their lives, wherever they lived and whatever job they had. Enough of this sitting around, complaining that a culture you never knew has been taken away from you and therefore somehow you are unable to listen in class and then do your homework, then later either get a student loan and go to university, or smarten yourself up and go for a job interview. It is really not so complicated, and it all starts with taking some responsibility for youselves.

You also seem to forget that Maori themselves are racist. Just as racist as the Europeans have ever been, when it came to Asian migration. The Maori didn't want those "yellows", as they called them, to invade our land (yes, it suddenly became OUR land - the land of the Maori AND European). The Europeans brought sickness, sure, but they also saved a lot of Maori from death-by-club through the introduction of guns.

There's no use denying the truth, Maori people and now Pacific Islanders are a burden to New Zealand's progress. And we WILL become "just another pacific island nation". After reading this you probably think I'm racist, but I'm not, I'm just human. Maori people are human too. I believe that the only way to cure this damned land is to stop treating Maori as though they're somehow unable to look after themselves, and treat them as REAL equals. Real equals work just as hard as the rest and don't have special rights over seabeds or whatever it will be next week. If we keep telling them they need special benefits, they're going to keep on needing special benefits. We need to treat Maori as though they're normal, civilised beings, which they are, who can work for themselves and be successful, which they can. Some of the comments above, while partly truthful, are also pretty disgusting and don't reflect well on the apparent 'civilised' demeanor of Europeans.

And stop calling us "Pakehas". We're Europeans, for god's sake. We call you your name, you call us ours. That's equality.

NZer

first of all, i am maori, and am appauled at what is said in this forum, but who wouldn't be when it is their race getting attacked. Now you don't want to be called a pakeha, that is fine, we don't like being called niggas as some ignorant person in this forum refers to us. I live in Gisborne, and talking of unruly people, the PAKEHA or the EUROPEANS, are the ones here that are downtown in the middle of the night drinking on the streets, acting the asses, and our neighbours, are PAKEHA, EUROPEAN, we are surrounded by them, and they are the unruly ones. My point is this, we are all New Zealanders, and in our township, which being on the East Coast, you would think is flooded with us Maori, and yet everywhere you look they all look we have Asians and Indians, and Islanders. It doesn't matter what race anymore because there are too god damn many to keep up. Hell I have a friend that is a Asian, and because I was ignorant at the time, I introduced him as Chinese, and he wasn't even...There are just too many to even care what they are...they're just New Zealanders now. Well, with that off my chest...I would like to say...TO HELL WITH DON BRASH...he should have been drowned at birth.

emma

Everyone is born with the same chance of success, you don't need a rich family and expensive schooling to achieve it, so why can't certain people in new zealand stop complaining about what everyone else is doing to them and get off their own asses and haul themselves up, look at the mad butcher, he came to new zealand with nothing and now he owns a chain of stores and is supposedly one of new zealands 50 most powerful people, all based entirely on his own merits, he had no extra priveledges given to him and he managed to make a success of himself, at the end of the day if you really want to do something you can, I know that sounds idealistic, and there will be people reading this saying, yeah whatever try doing that with no job and three kids, but getting handouts isn't helping. If these Maori and pacific Islanders coming thru now dont get better attitudes they wont be able to succeed themselves, because of the limitations they (and thier parents) put on themselves in this acceptance of the idea that they have been hard done by and are entitled to something that the majority of new zealand are not not because of any hardships put on them by the europeans, I just cant understand it, I am a middle class kiwi, 24 yrs old, white and earning around 50k, anybody in new zealand could do this, I joined the Air force and did my training thru there( which was free to join, and I got paid to learn), and after that I now work in the Avaition industry as a productive member of New Zealand. Basically what I am trying to get at is that I beleive attitude is more important than race or socio economic boundaries and until New Zealand attacks the root of this problem there will be no change for the good, I beleive there should be no special treatment for any person in New Zealand based on race or descent, (that's fair and equal isn't it) as this breeds jealousy and contempt. Please feel free to debate my points.

Freestyler

[QUOTE=hoogie]No the majority of maoris are bad ,Maoris make up 10% of our population and yet most crimes are committed by them in this country.

Ask yourself this question honestly!

When you see on the news a terrible murder or/and rape that has been committed and you havnt seen the suspect ...HOW MANY OF YOU THINK IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND "I BET ITS A MAORI"

Now i know if your honest you would have answered "YES" , the problem with this country is that you guys are to wussy to admit we have a problem with maoris ,even though one exsists you wont admit it.

Just keep turning a blind eye and pretending we dont have a problem, thatll fix evertything eh guys :loco:[/QUOTE]


I agree with what a little bit of what your saying.. i mean the crime thing is true (**** look at the stats nz website and see about prison population)

I would not say the majoritys of maoris are bad.... just... more than white dudes.. :P

I mean... im sure alot of us either at school.. in town... 4am in the morning.. whenever has been "Confronted" by some rehab going "west side yeah yeah yo yo are u looking at me fool ?" and MOST Of the time that person WILL be a maori..

I mean white dudes commit crime.. no doubt about that.. but more maori do... and they share alot less of the population % than the white guys...

Ok dodgy things i been involved in..

- Getting in a MAJOR fight.. stopping a guy trying to daterape a girl.. (Maori)
- In auckland someone trying to steal my uncles car in queenstreet while i was in it at like around 1am (Holden HSV) that lead to like a 1 hour chase (Maori)
- Getting in a fight Walking in town (Auckland again) and having 4 big maori dudes come up to me and say (What u looking at u white boy) When all i was doing was walking.


ON THE OTHER HAND..

Last night.. in wellington.. went clubbing... prolly went up to about 20 maoris during the night.. did the whole handshake thing.. had a chat... and they were awsome guys..

So there are to many things u can get outta this

- All maoris are dodgy ? NOPE
- More maoris than white guys are dodgy ? YEP
- Maori people are prolly one of the most respected native people of a country around the world ? YEP
- In the entire world our country has the most peacefull and best relationships between native people of the country and the europeans ? YEP (Think australia.. think america.. think south america.. think south africa..)
- And GENERALLY a maori people nice people ? Yes (Depends where in the country thou)


And i think the "Where in nz" thing is true..

For example.. Maoris in Wellington/most of south island seem to be a hell of a lot nicer than ones in auckland...

So to end this..

I have alot of maori mates.. and ask them what i just wrote.. and they would agree.. ask lots of maoris and they would agree exactly what i said so i would not call it a racist comment... i would call it a observation


So what you are saying that all Maori's from Auckland are dodgy - lol

I have some Maori friends and they are great people, but its the 10% or greater I dunno who give them the bad name.

In all fairness you should look at it this way..

If the British hadn't of annexed New Zealand, someone else would of, ie the FRENCH, the frogs wanted New Zealand, hell they sent a French Bishop or whatever (Pompallior was his name I think) to NZ FFS, if the French had their wicked way with NZ there would be no Maori's they would either be dead, dying or all slaves.

random

I resent being called "pakeha" , we should call maoris "hories" , and maoris are a pathetic race of bludgers and thugs, you can stick maori language, you know where.

Euro Person

Maoris should thank their lucky tiki, it was British who came to this now racially divided New-Zealand first, because if it had been the French or Spanish, there would be no treaty and no Maoris left alive, British are fair and a very tolerant honest people.
So all you maoris who think you are HARD DONE BY , think again, maoris have had handouts since the 1930s, eg: maori loans etc, whereas other NZers had to struggle on their own,,,,,,ohhhh you poor Maoris,,,what a bloody JOKE!,, NO MORE HANDOUTS,, STUFF THE TREATY,,MR BRASH IS RIGHT!!!

Paul the Pakeha

handouts since 1930, hook me up your source Paul the Pakeha

1847-1975
There were a series of legal actions by parliaments and the courts which rejected the lagality of the treaty. In 1877 a judge said that to have rights you have to be civilised. The treaty was invalid because treaties can only be signed by sovereign nations..... When around 1835, Maori were accepted as a sovereign nation after the signing of the Decleration of Independance ... and no not the american one morons.

So if your talking government handouts regarding treaty, no way were there handouts coming around 1930s when the treaty had been rejected up until 1975 when the redefinition period came in and the government had to realise treaty would not go away.


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hey i got an idea...

lets have a civil war, sort out our differences like men
pakehas vs the hories

LewzTherin

concerning NZer
Quote: 'And stop calling us "Pakehas". We're Europeans, for god's sake. We call you your name, you call us ours. That's equality.'

This is a discussion about New Zealand being one nation, being one people.. about all of us being New Zealanders, not maori and non-maori.

You have just supported the anti-brash argument by alienating yourself.

LewzTherin

Everyone is born with the same chance of success, you don't need a rich family and expensive schooling to achieve it, so why can't certain people in new zealand stop complaining about what everyone else is doing to them and get off their own asses and haul themselves up, look at the mad butcher, he came to new zealand with nothing and now he owns a chain of stores and is supposedly one of new zealands 50 most powerful people, all based entirely on his own merits, he had no extra priveledges given to him and he managed to make a success of himself, at the end of the day if you really want to do something you can, I know that sounds idealistic, and there will be people reading this saying, yeah whatever try doing that with no job and three kids, but getting handouts isn't helping. If these Maori and pacific Islanders coming thru now dont get better attitudes they wont be able to succeed themselves, because of the limitations they (and thier parents) put on themselves in this acceptance of the idea that they have been hard done by and are entitled to something that the majority of new zealand are not not because of any hardships put on them by the europeans, I just cant understand it, I am a middle class kiwi, 24 yrs old, white and earning around 50k, anybody in new zealand could do this, I joined the Air force and did my training thru there( which was free to join, and I got paid to learn), and after that I now work in the Avaition industry as a productive member of New Zealand. Basically what I am trying to get at is that I beleive attitude is more important than race or socio economic boundaries and until New Zealand attacks the root of this problem there will be no change for the good, I beleive there should be no special treatment for any person in New Zealand based on race or descent, (that's fair and equal isn't it) as this breeds jealousy and contempt. Please feel free to debate my points

freestyler

I agree with freestyler, look at the KFC man.
he was 50 years old dead broke when he came up with a great idea to sell his recipe for fried chicken, now age is a lot bigger problem than race when it comes with work.
He went to over 50 different people to sell his idea before he became successful. Attitude is what made him successed and never giving up. I am inspired by his determination and drive at 50!!! thats impressive it makes you think that anything is possible. Race is just an excuse I don't know why it is brought up all the time. everyone has the ablitity to succeed.

poppy

oh my god b boy you are so dumb I learnt about the french attacking the Maori's in Manukau Uni Tec in a class based on "the Treaty of Waitangi" so who's the moron that doesn't know their facts. Try thinking before you open your mouth and a Maori teacher told me this.

pippy

I feel sorry for those one's who have obviously missed the point about being 'one people'. There seems to be alot of misguided comments based obviously on the 6 o'clock news where the local black power or mongrel mob appears before the court on some criminal charge. What about the national front? I hear no comment about the genocide of the Aborigines in the past from early english settlers to Australia. I feel the treaty had to be made because Mr Busby could not subdue the Moari in warfare so had to use the legal system of the British courts. Clever thinking in my books. I just think that this issue will go round and round in circles for generation after generation. The world today is ruled by big business. I work in the coporate system for a big company and yes it is a shame to not see many 'brown' faces around the office, but that is not to say Moaris are dumb. The 'brown' faces I do work with in other departments however are top in their field of expertise. Until the treaty was recognized in 1975 the damage to the Moari as a nation was already done. hell, it wasn't until 1965 that the law was ammended to accomodate the Moari because as it was illegal to speak the language and as a single Moari male you could be arreseted and run out of town!! I dont base my thoughts on the past, I dont live in the past, and in order for people to understand that living in the past is detremental to ones health we as a nation will always have misguided racial comments rather than healthy debate. It is wise to accept the past and then move on. I personally am proud to be of Moari heritage. I know it's wrong to steal. I know it is wrong to harm my fellow man. I also know it's wrong to base my thinking on what someone else does. I am me and I don't care if a European,asian,Indian,moari or whatever race you are turns around and threatens me and my charactor, that's not the whole race doing it to me. It is the person that is standing in front of me doing this. So until certain people in society recognize that you own your own actions and have control of your own destiny than this country will boom as one people. Kia kaha

Manu

My mate Manu showed me this site at work today. It reminded me of a yarn I heard it goes something like this- An old indian chief sat in his hut on the reservation, smoking a cerimonial pipe and eyeing two U.S workers sent to interview him.
"Chief two eagles" said one official "You have observed the white man for 90 years and seen his wars and his technological advances, you've seen his wars and the damage he's done"
The chief nodded.
The official continues "Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?"
The chief thought for a minute and looked at the officials and calmly replied "When white man found land, Indians were running it. No taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, woman did all the work, Medicine man free, Indian man spent all day hunting, fishing, and all night having sex"
The Indian chief leaned back and smiled....." only white man dumb enough to think he could improve a system like that" :o)

Tawhai

funny thing to say Tawhai when you are using a computer!!! The world changes every day so deal with it, the Asians were well ahead of the white man with their money, and trade in the old days. So there was more than one race that was trying to improve itself, don't use modern technology than talk about the good old days as you come across as a hypocrite. Why don't you just compare it to times when we lived in caves and clubbed women.
Also Manu the Bristish made a treaty because they were so impressed by the Maori's having a society it showed they weren't savages, I doubt it was because the Maoris were so ingenious in their warfare, hell Maoris had sharpened stone and sticks while the bristish had guns. I have Maori heritage as well, but I don't hide behind it, I have never had a hand out for anything and I am proud that I have achieved everything on my own without using the past as an excuse. Did anyone see Campbell Live?? In Rotorua over 80% of crimes are committed by Maoris that is sad to see but it is factual. Maoris come across as angry agressive violent people. Fact.

pippy

yes some maori are aggressive and so are some asians so are some europeans. In fact you must be aggressive because you have maori in you. My point is- You are your own person and you control your destiny regardless of race or creed. I was shocked to see such misguided raciast remarks from a country that is supposedly a chilled out laid back nation. I feel everyone should just take a good hard look at themselves because if you are going to go through life blaming people for social and economic differences then you are not going to go far. Have a look at the 2-10 year old beggers living on the streets of Turkey in the middle of winter with no shoes and no medical care. Look at the effects of rape and pillage of big business has had on such lands that are quite self sufficient. Closer to home look at the forestries and the depleating numbers of wildlife and sealife!! Why? Because the mighty dollar rules, thats why!! If we as a nation of KIWIS dont get togeather then this coulntry is going to be taken over by not maori or europians or asians or any other race, it is going to be taken over by corperations with a mighty sword that will limit you and I free access to the camping sites and the forestries beach area and anything else that money can buy. In most europian countries you cannot sit on the beach and eat fish and chips because its private and you have to pay. You have to eat in the place provided for you and eat what they sell you. Growing up in Queenstown is a prime example. As a youngster we used to be able to knock on a door if we needed access to the lake to fish. Now you knock on the door and it is either "no way" or the house is owned and only occupied for 2-6 weeks of the year and the caretaker will not grant access as his job is to keep people off private property. While we all bitch and moan about the bloody hard up maoris and the hard up europians. Big money man is rubbing his hands together and hoping we will continue this way while he sneaks in the back door and robs our beautiful country of its resources.

Manu

Goodness sake pippy "chill out" take the story either way. I love the inventions of the computor the cell phone(god cant live without it) I aggree with my collegue. I go to the family marae up north and we seem to be a very close family. Most of us have been through uni and some of us have been through the school of hard knocks. I would assume that it is common in most families anywhere in any country. Just because my anscestor is one of the first signitures on the treaty dose not give me any special right or favours when it comes to how I live my life in this society. I pay of a mortgage, recieve above average income, juggle my sport around family commitments. I just cant some how find time to intimidate or rob people though. May be I am not Maori after all!!

Tawhai Kawati

yes Manu I am agressive, towards Maori's when your mother is beaten and raped by her Maori uncle and grandfather at 5 years old til she was 16, when your brothers were beaten by their Maori father almost every day of their childhood and when your uncle was killed at 12months because his black father hit him too hard because he was crying.

The fact is this is why there are SO many problems because SO much damage has already been caused, you are obviously very lucky to grow up with no life problems or abuse so yes you are white, my father is white and there is no rape no violence no murders on his side of the family, so yes I will judge by what I have seen. And try and live as white as possible like you do because obviously your life is better because of it.

pippy

Who are you guys trying to fool tawhai and manu? No one is saying every single maori is a thief and rapist, but you can't try to disguise the fact that maori people are more likely to commit these crimes than any other race in new zealand. They do have a more aggressive "what are you looking at" attitude then any other race in new zealand. These are not opinions , these are facts, they have been bought up again and again but evry time someone stands up and says, "hey look at this, somethings not right here" they are branded a bigot and racist.

freestyler

so sorry, last time I looked I was Maori. Shame I don't fit into the role that the people think All Maori's are aggressive. Take care

Manu

Its a shame that dr brash fails to understand that Maori had already declared new zealand independent via declaration of confederation and independence 1835 which ultimatly resulted in an alliance between the infant state and the british empire, you cant have a treaty with a country that doesnt exist. This only to protect the ordinary people of new zealand the native maori to protect there sovereignty, right of cheiftainship and all there terrortory but also in affect civilising them into a modernising world also granting them the same rights as british subjects but not actually being british subjects but there own, this to protect colonials of the time. since it was the governments of age that have been proven to be thieves and murderers destroying the very people the crown had sworn to protect, can you blame maori for rebelling against a system that has for so long disinfranchised and underminded them. It would be an insult to be regarded as ONE people with a race who used illegal immigration to democratically seize this nation, EUROPEAN NEW ZEALANDERS! stand up and be accounted for.

freedom fighter 4 supressed indigenous peoples aka

Freedom fighter needs to get HIS facts straight.My forefathers paid with good quility nails and blankets for this land so he/she needs to stop complaining and get off his fat assed high horse and get a job like the rest of us.Dole bludging bastard.

sic of crap

real funny sic of crap, ignorent people like you is the reason why most natives become racist, i suggest you take a crash course in history to learn the truth about your murdering thieving and raping ancestors and go back to the land were God put you. By the way i've worked hard most of my adult life, educated in history english and the treaty of waitangi also i spend alot of my spare time working with troubled youth and have found that it is your kind that is responsible for were natives are at today due to suppression and greed so if you are pissed off about whats going on ask yourself who's really to blame.

freedom fighter 4 supressed indigenous peoples

Pippy, honestly, You need to get some phsycological help, you have issue's that need serious attention. Go and tell a shrink your problems. No use moaning to a pc, like that's going to help.

Honky

All I have to say is...The Declaration of independence...why?? Becauce it was signed in 1835 by a group of Moari cheifs and King William which rightfully declares the Independence of our country, which is hereby constituef and declared to be an Independent State, under the designation of the United Tribes of New Zealand. All SOVEREIGN power and authority within the territories of the United Tribes of New Zealand is hereby declared to reside entirely and exclusively in the hereditary Cheifs and head of Tribes in there collective capacity to exist, nor any function of Goverment to be exercised - within the said territories, unless by person appointed by them.
So this legal Document....what happened to it?? Ill tell u, When your queen what ever her name was Victoria I think sent her men over here with the treaty of waitangi and i hate to say it my foolish ancestors signed it, the Declaration of independence was pretty much keep hidin Why? Because the Treaty gave the white people power over moari and the Declaration gave moari the rights to self govern there own land and people and gave the moari the status of being Sovereign.... which pretty much meant that the moari people are not superior to the queen nor is the queen superior to the moari people we are equal...

Reg

And why was the declaration never taught at school??? Because its the pakeha schooling system and they did want moari to learn of The Declaration of Independence... No all they wanted the moari to learn of was The Treaty of waitangi, Which of cause gave them the power over moari. But im telling you its all gonna change soon.. rightfully the Declaration over rides the treaty of waitangi and its gonna show soon..

reg

And why was the declaration never taught at school??? Because its the pakeha schooling system and they did want moari to learn of The Declaration of Independence... No all they wanted the moari to learn of was The Treaty of waitangi, Which of cause gave them the power over moari. But im telling you its all gonna change soon.. rightfully the Declaration over rides the treaty of waitangi and its gonna show soon..

reg

Thanks Don! Look what you dragged out of the gutter? Won't the National party be powerful made up of ignorant redneck racists. Sorry Don, but I have no desire to be 'one people' with some of the low lifes crusin this forum.

Demi

I still can’t believe you’ve got these people out there calling Maori uneducated, yet still class themselves as Europeans, Don’t know if you checked on a map, but New Zealand sure isn’t part of Europe.

Tamahere

I also find it interesting that when you travel overseas to say a place such as London, the steps white New Zealanders will take to try and express some time of “indigenous” identity in order to separate themselves from the English the Australians and the South Africans. The sad fact is other than the good old all black jersey they have nothing that differentiates them and are intern grouped into the category of Australian, South Afican or English.This happens because all other countries, say European etc cannot hear the difference in English accents so cannot tell where they are from exactly. So you know what happens next? They draw on aspects of Maori culture such as wearing greenstone or bone, clothing with Maori design, saying Maori words or singing Maori songs and as sad as it seems, doing the haka. Believe me I have personally witnessed many of these pathetic attempts in overseas countries of white new Zealanders trying to express some type of individual identity. I also find it interesting that on the return home all the things that they were wearing or doing overseas they now cease, they seem to lose their greenstone, clothing and cease haka performances. Is there an explanation for this? what is exactly the culture of a white New Zealander? Have you thought what you would say if you were in a situation where you were asked? And if so, why would so many revert to Maori culture when you have your own? I have seen first hand many New Zealanders overseas tussle with this question.

Tamahere

Kia ora Tamahere, I totaly agree with your point of view. Being a maori living here in Australia I have also witnessed first hand pakeha trying to identify themselves by using our bone, greenstone and clothing that identifies themselves as being part of the New Zealand culture. I use to think it was great until I said "kia ora" to a fellow New Zealander who had a greenstone on who in turn tried to pretend he didn't hear me. It makes me laugh that they dont want to associate with maori but they want to use our culture to make them feel like they belong somewhere. These people give a bad name to those good pakeha who live in New Zealand and out. I personally feel sorry for the white New Zealanders because thay have no culture and no identity. If you think about it its true, they are not English or European because they were not born there and are mostly 4th or 5th generation born N.Zers and they are not true N.zers either because you have to be Maori to be that. They also have no culture for the same reasons. So to all the people listening to the garbage that some anti - maori people put out there just think about the above and just feel sorry for them.
Kia ora, kia ora.

Melany

melany "they are not true N.zers either because you have to be Maori to be that. They also have no culture for the same reasons" what kind of crapola is this? Do you not realise that the moari people arrived in this country just like everybody else? They weren't the first here either so what makes NZ yours?

freestylin

Kia ora e hoa ma

It has been very interesting to read through the comments on Andreas's initial post.

The 'one nation' Brash debate is stirring strong emotive responses. However, it pays to look beyond the surface and see what Brash is really trying to achieve. Brash is using the Maori/Pakeha debate for one reason only - to get votes. His "One people" mantra is a complete red herring that diverts attention away from the key issues that should really concern people i.e., health, education, employment, housing and resource use.

With reference to some of the comments above about who is and isn't Maori, being Maori isn't about eurocentric blood quantum stuff regarding percentages and so forth - if you've got the toto and know your whakapapa then you're Maori.

Many of the comments posted above are extremely rascist and ignorant in nature, and I guess some of this is due to the education system in New Zealand having denied generations of children knowledge of this country's history - a sad fact of colonisation. Studying the American Civil War seemed to be more important than learning anything about the Treaty of Waitangi or the confiscation of lands in Taranaki. It is only until fairly recently that more factual and balanced accounts of the past have been recorded.

Brash certainly hit a raw nerve with his Orewa speech. Think about what he is really trying to achieve and look behind his rascist rhetoric. Also remember that the media is a powerful tool that can be used to shape the ideas and opinions of the masses - so take those negative news items with a big grain of salt. If television helps shapes your view of the world then have a look at Maori television and Tangata Pasifika and you will see that there are many good things going on in Maori and Pacific Island communities around the country.

Kia kaha, kia toa, kia manawanui...

Disappointed...

Well freestylin I knew my comments would stir the pot but dear you need to get your head out of books that state that maori were not the first here and get with it. Yes we did arrive here on waka but we were the first here I assure you of that. Everything you may have learned ( probably from pakeha teachers ) about the fact that there were inhabitants here before Maori were all kaka. We are the kaitiaki and indigenous in New Zealand and there is nothing you can do or say that will change that. Ka aroha kare.

Melany

Kia ora Richard. Well kare how about you learn how to spell first, its Ethiopian and buggers O.K.
Money that the government are using as we speak is from a loan from the world bank. When obtaining this loan Helen Clark had to put something up as collateral AND QUESS THAT SHE TRIED TO USE!!!! N.Z Land!!!!! AND QUESS WHAT SHE WAS TOLD!!!!! "You can not use this land, it is Soveregn land it belongs to the N.Z indigeonous of the country MAORI!!!!!"
So in order for her to get the cash she had to make part of the loan "Sovereign dept". Which means with out maori no money, no money no benefits. So dear Richard its our money thats funding the benefits anyway.
BUT! I must say I dont like seeing my people sitting around waiting for hand out's either but its the pakeha system that has allowed this and has put my people in this predicament in the first place.
And personally I would trade you and your people for anyone in this world. Who are you to say you would rather have another race than Maori YOU are standing on my land, if YOU don't like it get out!!!

Melany

Sorry it was guess not quess.....my bad.

Melany

Dear Little man, with a little mind...

Besides your pitiful attempt to demean my linguistic ability,
I see no come back with the greater issue that is at hand, concerning my last entry, which has obviously left you, not only dumbfounded, with nothing to say, but has also created a sad weakness in your ability to combat me on an intellectual level.

So in the mean time, little man, please do find something worthy of my reply, and quit wasting my time on nonsense, that is far beneath me, it makes me laugh....

Love always...

Sovereign of the Land...

Melany

Just a quick note to all my sovereign people.

The power is in the DOI of New Zealand 1835 ( Declaration Of Independence ).

There is a saying in law, " First In Time, Best In Law".The DOI was written before the Treaty Of Waitangi, and this is what will set the record straight. Read it and upskill yourselves. Our tipuna did not sell our land for smokes and blankets like we have been told, they protected it and the DOI is proof of that. They had this document written for future generations which was witnessed by representatives of the King and sighed by him and James Busby. It is a true document and is recognised by the United Nations, they are just waiting for our people to use it. Lets get going people!.
"E kore koe e ngaro,he kakano koe i ruia mai i Rangiatea".
"You will never be lost, for you are born of greatness".

Arohanui,
Sovereign of the Land...

Melany

Kia ora people....

Just had a bit of a read thru everything here....mmmm....kind of sad don't you all reakon?
I am part Maori/Pakeha and as a child growing up in New Zealand I was always told of how the Maori were useless and hopeless....now this was by my Pakeha Father and Pakeha step-mother...How demoralizing it is growing up in a house like that? I now live in Australia and it has taken me to move here to recongnize that I should be proud of who I am and what I represent being a Maori....and yes there are some negativities expressed in regards to the Maori people but hey thats with everyone...mankind...
To all you that deny your Maori Heritage...learn it and understand it....then you will know that you are truly blessed to have Maori blood run thru your veins...
Do not DENY yourself of who you are and what you represent...PRIDE AND DIGNITY was stripped from our people...our country was functioning better before the Pakeha came to Aotearoa...we had our own government, trade , banking system...no one was better off than another....everything that was done was for the good of the tribe...everyone had food, shelter clothing...and then the Pakeha see this glorious land from a distance and decide they want a peice of it.....
Now the only reason the Declaration Of Independence Of New Zealand was drafted up was because the Maori people were concerned about the welfare of the land and its resources...which were being exploited by the Pakeha...And our Tupuna wanted to keep our land and resources safe for our future generations...of not only Maori but all that lived in Aotearoa...So all you that are haters...I challenge you to READ the D.O.I and rally take in what it says....Maori, Pakeha, Islander, Asian whatever it is there for us all...And with the Declaration Of Independence comes the unravelling of all the lies we have been taught in History....that the Maori were stupid and dumb....which they so weren't...
When a people are exploited and suppressed of course it is going to effect the coming generations...It is up to us as Maori to rectify the issues at hand....AND WE WILL...
We are beautiful people and culture as all other Indeginous Cultures...We are Kaitaki of Aotearoa that means we are protectors Of Aotearoa including the people, resources etc... that are in it....As people (everyone) we have the right to know the truth...don't settle for what we are taught in school..., have a true look at HISTORY and question it don't take anything at face value...The settlers government has driven the wedge between the pakeha and Maori...why??? That I can not answer...

Arohanui to you all
And may Peace, Unity and Harmony bestowe upon Aotearoa

Andrea....Maori and Proud